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Randy Paré

After the first few complaints and grumbles I skipped down to the comments. They seem a mixed bag... I have one question and one comment:

>>> Why on earth if would review Smallville Season 11 if you hated Smallville? For the love of pete, review the latest installment of a story you like. If you are already against Smallville I'm pretty damned certain even Alex Ross/Kurt Busiek could not have delivered a comic you'd have enjoyed.

>>> I enjoyed the TV series tremendously. By and large, while thin, I thought the comic kept the Smallville feel by accurately having the cast "in character". The Chloe & Ollie scenes worked best, IMO. My only complaint is that the costume went with a New 52 feel rather than the iconic Superman style. I am not a fan of Jim Lee's costume re-designs. Not that this is that bad... but man - keep the trunks - Superman's whole design motif is based around the classic circus strongman.. now [new 52 and here] he's just another meta in a unitard.

May 05 2012 at 5:30 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
jade4813

Great review, guys. I enjoyed your reviews of Season 10, so I was happy to see you giving your thoughts on the new comic. It's particularly interesting, given that you didn't see the show for its entire run (and have always been very up-front about the extent to which you are familiar with Smallville. You've missed some things - some good, some well worth missing. I DID see all 10 seasons of the show, so I have found things in the past that you didn't "get" because you weren't familiar with the history. That said, in my opinion, if you have to have seen all episodes leading up to the final season in order to enjoy the show or see Clark as heroic - the man who's going to be Superman in 22 short episodes - then the show fundamentally failed. I haven't always agreed with your perception of events, but I have generally understood how you perceived them as you did.

Like you, I'm going into this comic with a little cautious optimism. (For me, it's more of the former than the latter.) I have enjoyed BQM's work - I liked his Batgirl quite a bit more than I am the current title. I have liked some of the things I've heard he has in store for the comic; I have hated others. But I keep thinking that the book may be hampered by the fact that the show, particularly in the FInale, left quite a bit of a mess that he's going to have to clean up or explain away.

At least he doesn't have to explain the comic that will essentially give away Superman's secret identity (or at least give enough clues that a guy like Lex should be able to piece it together). That doesn't happen for another 7 years, and I doubt that the comic will last that many "seasons." As you pointed out, it's likely going to face issues finding its audience.

I wonder if the Smallville conspiracy theorists will give the book a shot?

April 27 2012 at 11:25 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Dyler Crews

So, let me get this straight...

They make a comic continuing the adventures of Clark from Smallville now that he's grown up and become Superman.

How is this ANY different from the litany of Superman comics that already exist?

April 18 2012 at 8:21 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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CR

Because this story will still have the "Smallville" feel...

April 19 2012 at 6:43 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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shoeboxjeddy

Isn't the "Smallville" feel the feeling of Superman refusing to be Super? How do you get that feeling from a comic where he mans up?

April 26 2012 at 1:14 PM Report abuse rate up rate down
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I was pretty stoked to see that they're doing this comic, as someone who reads comics and watched SV.

Overall I liked it, though it's hard to get a feel for it so far since it's so brief. I like that they pretty much touched base with all characters (... well, sort of with Lois), CLARK IS IN THE FULL SUIT, and I don't really care about the presence of Otis unless he's recurring and an idiot.

I'm wondering how this brief format will work ultimately. It seems fine for an intro, but I wonder how it'll pan out when the story actually starts.

April 17 2012 at 7:15 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Libby

Sorry for two comments so close to each other time-wise, but I wanted to add a few more things.

Clark isn't just altruistic in the new comic (as opposed to the show), and Clark's heroism was rarely, if ever, the explicit result of his AI (artificial intelligence) father, Jor-El's, demands. Clark defied Jor-El throughout the series when Jor-El was unclear and threatening about the kind of destiny he was intent on preparing his son for. Clark then chose the way he would interact with his father after he learned more about the man himself from Raya (Jor-El's assistant whom Clark met in Season 6) instead of the soulless machine in his arctic Fortress of Solitude. Jor-El also had nothing to do with Clark's decision to begin his career as the Red-Blur-Blur in Season 8. Up until then, all he knew was that Jor-El wanted him to "rule" over the "flawed [human] race" with "strength" in order to "save" it from "extinction." Lastly, I take offense to the idea that it is somehow diminishes a person's respectability and their good deeds if they were guided into noble work by their parents. My best friend's mother is a doctor and her whole life her mother demonstrated through word and deed the value of serving others and saving people lives. My friend decided to study medicine herself not just because of her mother, but because she saw the value in it and she was good at it. She did it her own way in her own time, though, just like Clark did.

To your point that the show was trying to pass off Clark as Superman before he was Superman, I think you missed the point. As a true tale of a person becoming, Clark didn't start being everything that Superman is and is meant to be until the Finale. If you actually believed that Clark was everything Superman is and should be during the course of the show, yet you criticize him, you're not only contradicting yourself, you're making yourself look ignorant as hell about the show.

I'm glad you seemed to like the comic and that you have mostly good things to say about Miller and his team, but your views on Smallville show a real misunderstanding of the show which, if I'm not mistaken, you've not even watched all the way through.

April 17 2012 at 5:16 PM Report abuse -2 rate up rate down Reply
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Nataniel Costard

With the passion and knowledge you invert in something as awful as Smallville, I wonder what would you say if you ever were to read stuff like "Brothers Karamazov" or "Lolita". Really, I think we are missing here some great literary criticism

April 18 2012 at 1:41 PM Report abuse -1 rate up rate down Reply
Greybeard

In your attempt to mock Libby, are you trying to insist what art she can or can't be evaluating? So YOU'RE the guy who can tell me what to like or dislike or where to put my passions! I'm glad I finally found you, I was having so much trouble with my own opinions. But seriousty, why in the world would you want here to offer 'literary criticism' on two works which have an endless stream of it? Surely your well thought out 'Google Search' of 'famous books' offered more esoteric choices? Or are you just trying to make fun of the length of a post - that was in response to an 8 page article based on a 10 page comic?

PS you seem to be confused about what 'literary criticsm' is. Libby is simply referencing content in the show to correct suppositions about it that the reviewers were making. She's not offering anything more complex than that - she's not discussing theme or form, or any other literary device typically associated with traditional 'literary criticsm'.

PPS '*invest. Skitts Law, homeslice.

April 18 2012 at 2:19 PM Report abuse +1 rate up rate down Reply
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Nataniel Costard

Sorry about the typo, Libby's boyfriend! I learned english reading comic-books, all I can rightly spell is stuff like KA BOOM and GOTCHA!

April 18 2012 at 7:31 PM Report abuse -1 rate up rate down
Greybeard

*comic books

April 18 2012 at 8:34 PM Report abuse -1 rate up rate down
Libby

*At the very least, we have a Superman who's friendly, likable, visible and active*

It would be very difficult, in my opinion, to point to enough instances on the show to argue that Clark was NOT friendly as the rule rather than the exception. His being likable is subjective, and of course he wasn't as visible on the show as he is as a now debuted Superman. Still, he did actively choose to develop his visibility gradually. In Season 8, he allowed newspaper articles to be written about him and he slowed down so security cameras could take pictures of his red-blue-blur. In Season 9, he put his family "S" crest at the site of his saves and he spoke to the people via Lois Lane's articles. He continued to do this in Season 10 while he worked on developing his secret identity so he could safely step out of the shadows fully as Superman.

*If the Superman we see on these pages had been the Clark Kent we got on TV, I think we'd have a very different opinion of Smallville.*

Clark had lots of heroic moments with people, like his scenes with Danny Turpin and Alec Abrams in BQM's "Bulletproof" and "Warrior" respectively. Or, the way he spoke to the Wonder Twins. Remember "Plastique" when Clark first met the paramedic Davis Bloome?

*Yeah, but it builds up the idea that Superman doesn't think of himself as an idol or a hero; he's just a dude doing his job. Which, again, is so far away from the Smallville conception of him.*

Did you completely miss Clark's heartfelt message to the citizens of Metropolis featured in “Doomsday” (S8)? In it, and throughout the show, Clark repeatedly affirmed the heroism of others.

*You mean the version that had an episode where Clark had to watch YouTube videos of people talking about how great the Blur was to psych himself up to go fight evil? *

At the very top of the episode and throughout the rest of it, Clark is fighting evil. In his conversation with Lois, Clark says "I don’t have much time for politics. [...] I’m still out there saving people, Lois, whether they want me around or not." In short, Clark didn't watch the testimonials to get inspired to fight evil. He was doing that all along. He watched them because he didn't want to arrogantly assume that the people would believe in him enough to risk their lives coming forward to support him. Seeing that their courage was inspired by his example (i.e. what they were talking about in the videos) and having the VRA overturned were signs that he could move forward in his plans to go public.

*If you want young, just-starting-out Superman stories (which Smallville was supposed to be), there's Action Comics. If you want an older, experienced Superman in stories that are still trying to feel new (which Smallville actually was), then you can read Superman.*

The show was most definitely NOT supposed to be a story about a just-starting-out Superman. It was about Clark Kent BEFORE he was Superman—a true monomyth or bildungsroman.

April 17 2012 at 5:01 PM Report abuse -1 rate up rate down Reply
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Greybeard

Wow, Libby. I just want to say, spot on. Your points are very well stated. I advise not to get too attached to reading anything about Smallville by these two guys - they didn't really like it - which is their right obviously - and then tend to dislike it in a very hostile way. And they don't like to respond to criticisms.

There is also a pretty consistent theme to their argument - that the Superman character presented on Smallville does not match their subjective ideal version of Superman - a ridiculous idea that there is a 'true' Superman this show doesn't accurately represent. You've done a great job addressing directly. You'll get spammed by dislikes, but keep it up!

April 18 2012 at 3:44 AM Report abuse -1 rate up rate down Reply
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shoeboxjeddy

It is ridiculous to assume that people can tell the quality difference between one interpretation of a character and another. My erotic Sherlock Holmes fanfiction is exactly as good as that TV show Sherlock and the RDJ movies, and there's no way to argue differently!

April 26 2012 at 1:18 PM Report abuse rate up rate down
Joshua

Sorta thankful they didn't put him in the suit considering what they did to everyone else's suits. Especially neon arrow.

April 17 2012 at 3:19 PM Report abuse +1 rate up rate down Reply
Gregory Haroutunian

Im glad about this review, though I don't share your objections to smallville itself (well to be fair I do agree with most of your objections to it, I just happened to enjoy the show despite them quite a bit more than you guys seemed to, especially the final three seasons where so much of the rest of the DCU appeared in live action for the first time ever). I was worried that the "new52" ethic would infect this book, but it sounds like Miller has so far kept true to himself...i.e. the best writer DC has had working for them in ages. I say that because Batgirl was probably the best comic book I've ever read.

I do wonder though why Clark is wearing the New52 superman costume though. They showed us the "Smallville" superman costume and actually made a pretty big deal out of that costume, and it had the traditional short-pants rather than the too-small belt. It seems quite odd for a tie-in book to break with the established continuity with what it is tying into.

April 17 2012 at 2:28 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Michael

Costume thing goes back to the legal arguement I think. If leaving off the red undies keeps lawyers from knocking on peoples doors I say let it ride.

April 17 2012 at 5:53 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Gregory Haroutunian

I hadn't previously seen anything suggesting that the costume change for clark was due to legal issues. I agree if its a "no superman" vs. "superman with waaaay too much unbroken blue" then I choose too much blue. It seemed inconsistent with the established costume from the show but that could explain it.

April 18 2012 at 9:15 AM Report abuse rate up rate down
Pj Perez

It took me twice as long to read your review as the comic.

April 17 2012 at 2:04 PM Report abuse +3 rate up rate down Reply
Jorell

Yeah, this was alright for a first chapter, but like Sims said the story was pretty thin. I kinda just enjoyed seeing these characters again though. Guardian Chapter One was a solid reintroduction to this world, and hopefully the season picks up in the coming weeks. I'm looking forward to more space action and the debut of Hank Henshaw.

April 17 2012 at 1:17 PM Report abuse +1 rate up rate down Reply