
Nov 15th 2011 By: Caleb Goellner
'Comic Book Comics' #6 Recalls the Rise of Digital Comics and Piracy [Exclusive Preview]

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I started downloading comics as a way to get back into them and find out what was good. This was about half a year ago. I now have over 500 Gigs of mostly ill-begotten funnies. I went a little crazy over the availability, I think, because the vast majority I will probably never get around to reading nor would ever have considered paying for.
I try to also buy as many comics as I can. Though, like music (which I also buy and steal), I'm often buying second hand, so it doesn't make any difference to the creators either way. Also like music, I find it more gratifying to buy directly from the artist wherever possible.
Today is Wednesday. I'll be heading to the comic shop on my lunch break, my earliest opportunity, and most of the new releases I'm interested in will be gone. I intend to start a pull list with them as soon as I know which of the New 52 are worth following past issue three.
That, or start buying legit digital copies. But I will have to wait for them to be cheaper because I'm simply unwilling to pay the same for digital I would for a hard copy. I haven't quite worked out if or how I intend to go down that road. I agree with another comment about a Netflix for comics idea. More and more I think consumers are moving toward preferring access over ownership of media. I mean, I (almost) never download movies now that I have Netflix streaming, or to a lesser extent music now that I have Grooveshark mobile.
So anyway, I suppose I've downloaded books I'd have otherwise paid for. And I've paid for things I'd never have heard of without downloading them. I'm not looking to walk the line here, I am going to continue to download, but I also want to pledge my support of the medium where I can. With that, I'm off to my local comic shop to pick over the tattered remains of the release wall.
Followup for anyone that might care:
I spent just over $40 in new and back issues and was told to email my pull list and they'll open a box for me. Hooray, I'm legitimized!
Now to torrent the rest of this week's releases...
Hmm... It might be a little harder to enjoy some of The Oatmeal's gripes now.
November 16 2011 at 10:04 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI thought I was pretty informed on the webcomic world, but I've never even heard of "The Oatmeal"
November 15 2011 at 11:03 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyEven if we can't agree on piracy's effect on the industry, can we at least agree that claiming that a smaller sales base leads to a producer pricing yet more consumers out of the business is ridiculous? The number of people interested in buying at all doesn't matter. Hell, cost of production matters very little outside of the question of whether the item is sold at all. The only thing that matters is the price at which price*(number of people willing to buy at that price)=more than any other price. That's the equilibrium price, and it is the foundation of the study of economics.
November 15 2011 at 9:01 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyLook out, here comes some math!
I never studied economics but I know that the cost of production ALWAYS matters in the publishing biz, no matter how many copies you sell.
As a reader I wish comics still only cost $1.00 also.
As a publisher, I know that $1.00, $2.00 and often $3.00 comic books are neither feasible or sustainable when you're producing traditional single-issue print comics.
It costs about $1600 to print and ship 3000 32-page black and white comic books and it costs about $3000 to print and ship 5000 32-page full-color comic books. (Those quantities are about the best an entry-level publisher could EVER hope to sell on any title.)
Diamond distribution (the only real option for distributing a significant number of single-issue comic books) buys your comic for, at its most generous, 40 cents on the dollar of the cover price. (example: they pay you $1.20 for something with a $3 cover price)
Run those numbers, see what kind of profit you come up with. Then divide that profit by the number of man-hours it takes to write, draw and market a single comic book.
If there was some way to dramatically increase sales of individual issues, then the individual unit costs of PRINTING comics WILL drop - from about 60 cents per copy at 3000/5000 print runs I described down to about 25 cents per copy for print runs TEN TIMES that.
The cost for the man-hours of producing the comics content doesn't change wheather you print 1 copy or 1 million. And how much is that? Here are the current lowball rates for comic book production: writing $40/page, b&w art $100/page, color $50/page, lettering $10/page, cover art $200, production $200 per issue = $4800 for produce a 22-page comic book, which is significantly more than the printing costs alone! [Oh and all big companies like Marvel, DC, Dark Horse, Archie, etc pay *much* higher page rates.]
Can you sell 50,000 copies of a comic book? Maybe Marvel or DC or Archie can, but I can't. And those companies spend a LOT more on talent, staff and marketing so they can make comics that WILL sell 50k and higher.
PRODUCTION. COSTS. ALWAYS. MATTER.
The assertion that people are less likely to pirate material created by one person is not correct. I have artist friends who try creating comics, cd collections of images, etc all on their own and it still doesn't matter to pirates. The material still makes their way to reposting and torrent sites. I've come across people with the mentality that its their god given right to spread material, in some circumstances without care of who created them.
November 15 2011 at 7:27 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyHey, this comic looks neat! I'm gonna download it!
November 15 2011 at 7:26 PM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyYou won't be the only one.
November 15 2011 at 8:01 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down Reply@Scafin
You claim torrents "can drum up business." I would be thrilled if that was true. But we've been in the Torrent Era for some time now, and comics sales continue to decline or, at best, remain stagnant. Unfortunately, torrents are not driving consumers into the legal marketplace in significant numbers. This much is provable: That torrents are just not very helpful to the industry.
Of course, not being helpful doesn't, in itself, mean that a thing is harmful. Torrents could just be neutral -- not affecting sales one way or another. Plenty of people claim this.
To believe that, you would have to believe that an industry whose entire business model is built on charging for access -- the cover price for a comic or book, the ticket price for a movie, etc. -- isn't affected at all by an unauthorized third party offering the exact same access -- not a free sample like what's on this page, but the whole and complete thing -- for free.
Does that really sound plausible to you?
As I suggested in the piece, trying to stop torrenting is an exercise in futility. I think what ultimately needs to change is the business model: How and why and when we charge for access to creative material.
I'm sure piracy plays a small role in the demise of the comics industry but pinning it all on piracy is a bit of a cop out.
The fact is the industry suffers from stagnation of content (500 rehashes of the same characters gets old after a few decades), massive nepotism (Diamond Distributors, pretty much the only game in town anymore raising their requirements to a 2,500.00 minimum which is severely limiting to small publishers' prospects) and limited mainstream exposure beyond toy lines and movie properties. The fact that males from 18 to 34 are still their target demographic and women are still mostly shunned as a buying force shows how out of touch the people running these things are.
"You claim torrents "can drum up business." I would be thrilled if that was true. But we've been in the Torrent Era for some time now, and comics sales continue to decline or, at best, remain stagnant. Unfortunately, torrents are not driving consumers into the legal marketplace in significant numbers. This much is provable: That torrents are just not very helpful to the industry."
This is your brain on a literature degree. Seriously, that doesn't prove anything. Lots of people die in hospitals, but that doesn't mean that western medicine doesn't help or makes things worse. We're in "the era of" whole grains, but obesity is still increasing. That doesn't mean that that whole grains cause obesity.
Your insults and apples/oranges comparisons still don't address my very simple point, which is that torrents aren't doing much to help crappy comics sales. Because if they were, comics sales would be less crappy.
If, within 4-5 years of the introduction of Western medicine, the survival rate in hospitals hadn't improved -- if, in fact, conditions worsened -- the obvious conclusion would be that Western medicine doesn't do much to improve the survival rate in hospitals. Fortunately for patients and unfortunately for your analogy, that's not the case.
Is piracy the sole source of the industry's problems? Of course not. See my response to Galactus's Grandpa above.
But to say it's having no effect is equally ridiculous. That's a conclusion that has nothing to do with logic or common sense, but everything to do with emotion. We like getting stuff for free. We want to keep getting stuff for free and we don't particularly care how. And we don't want to be made to feel bad for getting stuff for free.
"If, within 4-5 years of the introduction of Western medicine, the survival rate in hospitals hadn't improved -- if, in fact, conditions worsened -- the obvious conclusion would be that Western medicine doesn't do much to improve the survival rate in hospitals."
WHAT?!?
No. No it wouldn't. That is probably the most obvious invocation of the correlation-causation fallacy I have ever seen. If a hospital gets worse after a medication is introduced, it could even mean that the medicine works so well that you are attracting a sicker clientele, or that there is a plague. Another example would be that a large proportion of people given Herceptin and chemotherapy die of cancer (especially when compared to the general population), even though both of these are effective cancer treatments. Why? Because these are late-stage cancer treatments, and treatment doesn't change the fact that you are starting with metastatic cancer (okay, maybe not that late-stage).
Similarly, you admit that there are many confounding factors with much larger effect sizes than piracy, so you need to control for those confounds to make any concrete claims on piracy's effects on comics sales.
It's also kind of hilarious that you immediately assume that anyone who disagrees with you has a vested interest in doing so. For your information, beyond never downloading a torrent, I don't even know how to use torrenting (sp?). If you want to see a real case of an irrational conclusion driven by pathos, try looking at the guy who sees people benefiting from his work without paying and immediately assumes that he's losing something, as if Pei loses something every time I admire Hancock Tower without sending him a check.
You know what I'd like to see? A Netflix for comics. You pay a certain amount per month to have full access to a shared universe. I'd pay $20 or $30 a month for access to most of the Marvel comics, for example- even if there was a delay of some kind. Has anyone even looked into this?
November 15 2011 at 6:39 PM Report abuse Permalink +3 rate up rate down ReplyThe point about manga sales dropping after scanlation sites took off ignores that manga became a crowded market in the mid-2000s, and ignoring shrinking book sales (manga being sold more through regular book stores than comic book stores), 2007 would be when the (then) current generation of manga readers would have been growing out of it at the same time as the - potential - next generation of manga readers were supposed to be getting into it but did not do so because manga was then defined by cheap reproduction and impenetrable long-running series whose earliest volumes were out of print, or shorter series that were more readily available - usually as a complete collection - via the second-hand market that obviously doesn't service the publishers. The only way to improve sales was licencing new properties, better translations, higher quality materials and improved editorial oversight, which a lot of manga publishers couldn't afford, hence they started to go under even before scanlation took off.
Scanlation sites also generally push obscure or untranslated manga that has no physical western counterpart, the scans of manga released in the west usually originating via anime fansub communities who cater to fans of properties like Naruto and Bleach and keep up with the comic versions alongside the tv episodes, a practice which also occurs with Toku, J-drama and even Korean shows/manhwa. Which is not to say that scanlation sites DON'T host manga based on those properties, obviously - although most who run such sites know that since they're violating copyright law they're currently hanging on by a thread and don't want the attention. I'd be surprised if most such sites are still going in five years' time.
The industry (Marvel, DC mostly) needs a MAJOR overhaul for its business model. Blaming piracy is a total cop out in a world where there are 500 different Iron Man, Avengers, X-Men, Batman, and Spider-man franchises running at the same time and the only time I see anything about a comic in the regular, non-comic world is when Superman makes headlines for not being an American citizen and Spider-man is a black and latino kid.
I also have issue with how I have to spend 3.00-5.00 on a floppy that has maybe the equivalent to 10 minutes of action and plot if translated into TV time. I only really buy TPBs of whole stories I like anymore. I'll buy a floppy if the art just completely jumps out at me. Otherwise I'll just wait.
I'm pretty lucky to live in Portland and have places like Things from Another World and Floating World Comics who grasp what's going on a little better than your average comic store and cater to a wider variety of customer than just the Simpson's Comic Book Guy types. If anything, catering specifically to those types and not looking to see who actually has money and potential interest is what's hindering comics more than piracy ever could.
Comics can't really be compared to music and standard books because the delivery is half of the product. You can just read the text of a book and get everything it has to offer. You can play a song on just about any device these days and get the product in its entirety. However you have to have the book format and high resolution imagery to get the full effect of a comic. Reading one on a computer or to a lesser extent on an iPad is very limiting. If the art and story are good enough, someone's going to go and buy it so they can have a physical copy to keep on their shelf. Everyone I know that's into comics, young and old, are like that. That's fundamentally integrated into comics and won't go away unless the very definition of a comic book is changed.
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