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Apr 16th 2010 By: Chris Sims





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Having minorities as criminals isn't racist,believe it or not sometimes criminals in predominantly non-white neighborhoods aren't white,it happens .It's a little more realistic than the outdated all-white 80's punk-rocker gangs that commit every petty crime in every "PC" comic. White guilt is a hellava thing...
August 21 2010 at 2:11 PM Report abuse Permalink -1 rate up rate down ReplyThing is, Sims is now a comic creator himself. Does this then elevate this to professional mudslinging or can it still be viewed as a comic fan giving their own opinion of a comic?
Still not sure why this fixation on the ethnic background of the people being attacked by a vigilante. Didn't Sims (biggest Punisher fan I know) state that Ennis' MAX run was the top of the shop? In which every story arc told a story of how a particular ethnic gang/group deserved to die, and then did? How is this different to Kick Ass attacking a gang?
I really have to wonder if the author of this article has ever really...you know, read the damn comic, or seen the movie.
Hint: In pop culture, Hollywood foremost, gangsters are all Italian (which I happen to be, don't even think about pulling a discrimination card.), and gang members are all black or hispanic. You know why? Because that's what people associate these people with. Is it still racist if it reflects the views of a significant portion of your audience? Maybe, but it sure as hell doesn't make the production any worse.
Another thing: Kick-Ass didn't inspire anybody to don the tights. Red Mist did it as a trap, Big Daddy and Hit Girl were doing it before Dave pulled himself out of his loser coma.
I'm also not sure Dave's really supposed to 'represent' anyone...he's an 'ordinary guy', yeah...but he's a character in a story. Some people are idiotic cretins. That's their character. They don't represent everyone else.
Also I think I should also point out that [SPOILER!!!!!] The other 'Caucasian' in the crew gets his brains blown out.
How about instead of griping about a COMIC BOOK you go out and write something interesting? Better yet, try writing a comic. I'm going to enjoy making up a bunch of idiotic drivel about it.
PS: I'm not a huge Kick Ass fan. I didn't care for the comic much at all, which is actually what's being ridiculed here, not the movie. I just think it sucks when people who obviously don't have a clue what they're talking about try and rain on the parade of people who DO enjoy something.
Yeah, how dare Chris call something racist JUST because it reinforces stereotypes! That's crazy talk!
April 26 2010 at 12:02 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down Reply1.) Chris Sims has read the comic. Chris has read almost every comic, but this was obviously based on the comic because of all the little differences from the movie like Dave's hair is blond only in the comic version. And this site is about comics.
2.)Is it still racist if it reflects the views of a significant portion of your audience? Yes, yes it is. And it really does decrease the value of the story, the characters and the production, and it's just insulting to assume your audience is racist. It doesn't matter if you're Italian, black or Hispanic. If a story reinforces stereotypes, then it's racist.
3.) The main character, Dave, is a comic book fan. In a comic book. Yes, that means he represents the reader.
4.) Why is "COMIC BOOK" in caps? Does that imply comics are not important? Then why read them? This whole site is obviously about comics, but if you knew anything about Sims, you would know he does write several comics, and you already write idiotic drivel. You even do it pretty well because you don't make any valid points and repeatedly make it clear that you don't know anything about who or what you're writing about.
5.) If you're not a huge Kick Ass fan, then you're just being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk? Hilariously hypocritical that you "think it sucks when people who obviously don't have a clue what they're talking about try and rain on the parade of people who DO enjoy something." That's exactly what you just did, and 95% percent of comments here enjoyed this article.
Maybe......we should just think of this comic as a funny little thing that might be racist but it's one of those things were it's not racist unless you want it to be. Also, I guess that in the movie, there is a character that isn't white. Big Daddy's cop friend, whose name I don't remember. He was bigger in the movie than the book. Also, I think that in the movie, they made it seem more understandable to an audience that Big Daddy and Hit Girl were avenging the death of their wife/mom, as opposed to looking extremely shallow and cold. But, I was entertained....
April 22 2010 at 12:15 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyOk, so I bought tickets dor the movie, but then decided that I should look at the source material. Well, the concept in Millar's comics is a nice one, but all the trashines makes the reading rather uncomfortable.
At first I saw the comic as edgy, but then became quite, uhm, trollish, and then any sence of morality, and i mean morality in the broader sense possible, were quickly shot down like a stray dog. Dave was a douche, and a dumb douche, Big Daddy was a moronic diuche, and red mist? well, he actually made the most sense.
Regardless of the racism, the homophobia and the stereotypes, what baffled me the most was that Big daddy started his crusade just because he was bored... and, I don't know. Turning your daughter into a killing machine, just because you want her life to me "exciting" sounds a bit shallow, pottery can be interesting to.
I generally don't like superheroes, sometimes I just hate batman for nor killing the joker, but, at least he has a set of values,a reason, and that is partially understandable. But Kick-Ass just felt like Worms World Party, just kill all the colored bastards!!! The superheroes in Kick-Ass, are just boring bored shallow people who instead of doing drugs or Miley Cyrus, decided to kick some ass.
It was a decontrstuction? I don't know, i dont Know if Millar was being ironic, sarcastic , serious or just tought of a really elaborate practical joke. I couldn't see the comic just as a funny killing spree, all the racism, crazy daddys and the total absense of someone kind hearted made really hard for me to even root for the characters, and if I even tried to see undertones of something related to a plot, I just saw what despair can do to people, how hard they'll try to kill themselves to leave they pathetic lives as Millars sees the real world... actually, the comic is a complete downer.
But alas, Hit-Girl was the real protagonist, she was the badass among badass, and altough her dad weaponized her "Just for the Lulz" she was the only one that did had superhero material, that part when she said "we have to finish the job" solidifies her stance as a fighter with a path to follow, she has the skills, she has the cold heart, she has the fearlessness of a great dark hero, and at least she has a motive. It was her crazy father the one that made her that ruthless killing maching, one can just hope that she puts those skills to good use.
I actually liked reading Bad-Ass, it was a good experience, but do I love Miller's intention (god only knows what that was)? no, it was like riding a rollercoaster smashed with cheap scotch. And that leaves me with two theories, this was actually how Millar wrote his comic, or he is just an evolved mind that I just can't decypher, and i actually want the later to be true because gives hopes for a more interesting future, cause the comic itself is more depressing that drowning blind kittens and more cynical than screwing your own mother and then call her a whore.
Oh, and the movie was good, hollywood good, with all the "Yay, we are good people and saved the day". Not an earthshattering view in superheroes but at least a difrent take in this over-raped genre. Which was kind of nice. Oh, and Chloe-Grace Moretz was the real revelation of the film, now im waiting in the movie that puts her, Jodelle Ferland and Dakota Fanning in a kill'em all/exsitencialist/victorian age steam punk/abandonment issues plot. That would kick ass
I don't remember Dave being racist...?
April 19 2010 at 5:58 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI don't recall Dave being a racist...?
April 19 2010 at 5:57 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI guess the only punchline we get is from real life. You see a lot (not all) but a lot of white dudes on the internet blow a fuse when they are seen as the bad guy for anything race related.
While the rest of us just kind of have to deal with it. The Blacks, Hispanics and Italians are bad guys in this BOOK (difference between the comic book and the movie). The girls are shallow, they're seen as bad people. Then you have Dave, who often in narration expresses an insecure style of racism, Millars characters are often intimidated by minorities because they're top of the line a-moral outcast.
That a-moral attitude is what would make Dave just as BAD as the rest. Now some guys feel uncomfortable acknowledging the characters racist attitude and are offended at the concept of Dave supposing to be a reflection of them. While others completely deny it. Everyone in the book is pretty much a bad or shallow person in different styles. When minorities complain of being seen as bad guys in this book, it's obvious the comic is portraying us as bad guys, now you have a handful of white-males here (and confused others) complaining about being seen as racist. Well...that in the book too, whether you like it or not. The punchline is you.
This is a pretty late reply, but I'd like to ring in that I honestly don't think Kick-Ass is that self-aware. The problem here is that Mark Millar is very probably not intending to make commentary on racism. He probably doesn't intend for Dave to be seen as racist. It's not the character we're criticizing, here, it's Mark Millar himself and the narrative he's created. The STORY is racist, not just Dave.
April 23 2010 at 1:42 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI wonder what hitgirl said when she came in
April 18 2010 at 4:09 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyCould you please explain further? I do not understand whether you are agreeing with me or not.
April 18 2010 at 2:19 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyA countdown of the must-read books of the year.
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