So who wins the big ogle-off? "Gotham City Sirens," a book where NPR describes gratuitous ass shots "as grains of sand on the beach" and cites a 100% increase in "Scenes Depicting Busty Women in Hot Tubs Forcibly Restrained by Creeper Vines" and "Scenes Depicting Busty Women in Leather Catsuits Tied to Chairs."
"Marvel Divas," in contrast, contains virtually no cheesecake, but rather a lot of women communicating and asserting themselves. This total lack of objectification may come as a surprise to anyone who followed the "Marvel Divas" controversy on the blogosphere earlier in the year, when Marvel marketed the book with this cover:

And this solicit copy (my bolding):
And of course, Marvel Editor-in-Chief Joe Quesada fanning the flames in his "Cup O Joe" column by responding to the inevitable blowback from female fans by accusing them of "hating" and engaging in this ill-considered exchange with a reader:
Quesada: Ashley, while I completely respect your opinion as I do every Marvel fan, your calling Marvel Comics and this particular mini series sexist is a bit extreme from where I'm standing. I'm going to go on a limb here and assume you're a Marvel reader. It's an assumption I'm making based upon the fact that you're responding to this column. If you're Marvel reader and truly feel we're sexist, then why are you reading our books?
The whole debacle left such a poor taste in my mouth that I ended up leaving the book on the rack when it came out, so color me a little bit surprised to learn that "Marvel Divas" is actually one of the most female-friendly titles Marvel has put out in recent years. If they were aiming for the female demo, as the content of the book would indicate, their marketing either didn't reflect that or misjudged the demo embarrassingly.
So what has Marvel learned from all this? I mean, in reality, maybe nothing, but ideally that if you have a superhero comic that is actually woman-friendly and even woman-oriented, it is probably best not to market it as wank material, or to tell women that if they don't like that, they can take a flying leap out of the comic shop.
I am just saying.
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Friday 18 September
By Alexa
I just think it's funny that Joey Q pulled the plug on naming a pretty useless collection of random issues featuring two male leads "Marvel Bromance" because he was afraid that in 5 years it would seem ridiculous and outdated.
Yet "Marvel ~Divas~" is the height of timeless cool...
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Saturday 19 September
By nick
This comic was so poorly marketed. My girlfriend, a big Sex and the City fan, read it and liked it even though she doesn't care about Hellcat having a thing with Damien Hellstorm or whatever. I found it to be a refreshing change of pace with some nice art and a fairly compelling hook.
Hopefully Marvel will wise up when it comes time to reprint and give it a less offensive cover. (And maybe reprint it in afforable mass market digest size.) The second issue's cover is a little better, despite Black Cat's plunging neckline:
http://1979semifinalist.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/marvel-divas-cover-2.jpg
Though I don't know why the artist made Firestar look like Gwyneth Paltrow.
Saturday 19 September
By Hermiod
I get really tired of this constant whining about how women are drawn in comics.
Let me point something out to you all - Men don't look like that either. Most men aren't 6 foot plus with arms the size of a side of beef.
The only people here being sexist at all are the people who complained about the cover.
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Saturday 19 September
By citrus
Hermiod, I am beyond tired of idiots who claim that the representations of men and women in comics are "equally" unrealistic. Do we really have to go over this again? Seriously?
That both are unrealistic is true; the difference is that with female characters, the exaggeration is focused solely on their sexual characteristics.
Superhero stories are about people with extraordinary abilities who (generally) battle evil. Since these stories are often about fighting and physical prowess, exaggerating the muscles on a male or female character makes SENSE. Exaggerating a female character's breasts to ridiculous proportions makes no storytelling sense whatsoever. It's objectifying and sexist, where the exaggerations of male characters are simply empowering.
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Sunday 20 September
By Hermiod
The characteristics they emphasize in men are just as prominent sexual characteristics as women's breasts are. Or are you going to pretend that women aren't attracted to muscular men ?
We do have to go over this again because the people who complain about it are the true sexists. I'm not allowed to be the Ms. Marvel fan that I am because I love the character. It has to be her costume or the way she's drawn, because I'm male and I can't think past that. Same with Spider-Woman.
Monday 21 September
By Bunny
Actually Hermiod, I would argue that biceps and pecs are, in fact, NOT sexual characteristics of men as identified by society. Womens' breasts, specifically the nipple area, the buttcrack and crotch are generally blanked out if exposed on TV before the watershed. As are mens' buttcracks and groinal region. A muscular male physique - thick biceps, broad shoulders, would more realistically be compared to a sexily toned female stomach: still hot-as, but when was the last time you saw that blanked out?
The reason it is sexist is this: Comics are about fantasy. A man reading a comic book by Marvel or DC gets to fantasize about being a strong, powerful, heroic and utterly kick-ass man with amazing powers, and gets to fantasize about the hot, scantily clad and dangerously sexy women supers and non-powered women that surround the male hero they identify with. Because the male characters are explicitly drawn to appeal to His desire to feel powerful and the female characters are explicitly drawn to appeal to His sexual desires.
I can't identify with Rogue in that picture. I can't identify with most female superheroes without willfulyl ignoring massive parts of their character - usually the costumes and the way that all female heroes, whether their personality fits or not, are given mannerisms, poses and demeanours more like bad actresses in cheap porn films than real women. I want to feel powerful. Strong. Smart. Unstoppable. Super. Instead I get to choose between feeling sexy or pretending I'm male.
As soon as we start regularly getting close-ups of Wolvie's rear end in tight fitting boxers, hips swaying seductively, as representative image of him walking towards someone, or Batman leaning over a desk while pouting as a representative image of him arguing with someone, and a series in which Catwoman is drawn with a physique remeniscent of a female professional bodybuilder, we can call this equal.
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Monday 21 September
By Synsidar
Brevoort recently commented -- http://marvel.com/blogs/Tom_Brevoort/entry /1607.Reader_Questions_7 -- re the cover and marketing versus the contents:
"I don't really think so, Harlequin. You're making the assumption that the audience you're talking about would turn out in vast numbers if we'd simply presented this project in a different way, and I'm afraid I just can't see that happening. There's absolutely no evidence or track record that would support this position-and probably a decent amount of evidence to suggest the reverse. I also have to expect that the audience you're talking about is most likely to embrace this series in its eventual collected form, rather than as monthly serial releases. The Direct Market has never been all that inviting to mature, sensitive portrayals of women, much as we might all wish that not to be the case-and we've found, over the years, that sometimes the best way to drum up attention for a project is for there to be a little bit of controversy around it. But honestly, this whole thing has been a tempest in a teapot, and likely didn't have much impact one way or the other on DIVAS' sales"
I've read both issues of DIVAS. The content might be female-friendly, but only in the same way that, e.g. soap operas are. The characterizations are superficial; Aguirre-Sacasa failed to do basic research concerning breast cancer diagnosis and staging; the Brother Voodoo-Rambeau fling seems motivated by nothing more than B.V. being one of the few black heroes Marvel has.
If Aguirre-Sacasa has produced anything more substantial than slice of life stories, I haven't seen it. Considering that he's a playwright, what he's producing (dialogue without plot content) hardly requires more effort than doing some character sketches as exercises or killing time waiting for someone to show up. Given a choice between reading a character profile that describes the character in detail or an Aguirre-Sacasa (or Heinberg) slice of life story, I'd choose the profile.
SRS
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Monday 21 September
By Laura Hudson
Breevort is correct that the Direct Market is not a very friendly place for women, in part because the female audience has historically been less interested in the medium, and in part because the Big Two seem totally unable to stop actively offending them. It's a little bit chicken and egg to me, and while I understand the need to not market books like this ONLY to a female audience, I'm not sure why the only other option is marketing it in a way that excludes them.
This attitude is just so strange to me: "It's difficult to get women to read comics, so we have no choice but to make comics in a way that women will totally hate." It's not like you need to cover a book in ribbons and shoes and makeup to interest women. YOU JUST NEED TO NOT ACTIVELY OFFEND THEM. Honestly, this would be a huge step forward, and it's not that complicated.
Monday 21 September
By michael
Lately, I've been interested in both 'Sirens and 'Divas. 'Divas, mainly for the art. As for the story, I am only apprehensive of the fact that I heard it was a rip off of the Sex in the City movie.
And actually, the latest 'Sirens, had nothing to do with the ladies! ;)
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Tuesday 06 October
By MtL
I've been reading them both and enjoying them both. Divas a bit more because alot of times during the reading of Sirens I just find myself thinking is it really practical to have a shot of
SPOILER: Harley spread eagle trying to dodge bullets? AND while she's sporting daisy-dukes!? :SPOILER
That being said, I don't get why there's so much negativity over the Divas' issue one cover. It's not like Sirens' issue one cover where there's a shot of Ivy in a thong. I mean people a re picking on the fact that Black Cat has a revealing top? I mean maybe I missed something but hasn't her costume been essentially the same for years? I mean did the artist change it drastically from what she normally wore just for the Divas covers?
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