Marvel Editor-in-Chief Joe Quesada talks details about the Disney buyout with Kiel Phegley at Comic Book Resources -- the only interview he'll be giving until the deal goes through. While Quesada repeatedly dodges on questions about Disney properties and potential deals, he does address the concerns about Disney getting involved in editorial head-on, and denies them strongly.The whole interview is worth a look, but I was most interested in Quesada's comments when asked whether Disney would give Marvel the kind of leeway that Warner Bros. has given DC to invest in original graphic novels -- comics that are released as book collections without publishing monthly issues:
"I've stated publicly on many occasions that I've never seen the benefits of original graphic novels. The economics just don't work and are poor for both the publisher, retailer and the creator, especially during this Marvel regime when so much of what we do gets compiled into a collected edition anyway... Just look at it from the eyes of the uninitiated, or the neophyte who walks into a comic shop or bookstore. When they decide on a hardcover, do you think it matters to them or that in some cases they even know that it's an original graphic novel or a collection of a six-issue story?"
Well, if they walk into a bookstore, chances are that they'll ONLY have graphic novels -- and no serialized comics at all. The only way this statement makes sense is if you're ONLY talking about the direct market, so let's not pretend that this is about the bookstore market and what it wants, which is graphic novels.
"From an economic point of view it makes tons of sense to release the material in serialized form first because it then allows you to sell the product in several different formats. Also, from the point of view of a creator having their material reach the widest possible audience, the price of an original graphic novel can be too steep for many. That's why you don't see OGN's selling in the hundreds of thousands of copies. Yet, if the story is strong enough, you can certainly serialize it and have that many eyeballs looking at your work in installments."
First of all, no comics sell multiple hundreds of thousands of copies right now. Only a handful of top comics from Marvel and DC breaks 100K each month, and in May 2009, no comics at all made it past the 100,000 mark, so let's not pretend that's a realistic standard.
Publishers want the readers to buy the single issues because that's their indicator of success, but guess what? I don't want most comics in singles. I want them in trade paperbacks, and I wait for the trades, and I get way better value when I buy them that way than I would buying individual issues. So no, it's not that steep in terms of price for anyone accustomed to buying books, or anyone who buys monthly comics and can do math.
My problem with singles isn't that they exist -- they're neat! -- but rather that their sales are used as the primary indicator of a comic's success. What about the strong stories that do poorly in monthly issues, but sell far better when they're released in collections because people are waiting for them? What about the comics that get canceled before they have a chance to establish themselves, for the same reasons?
Singles have their own advantages, to be sure, including Quesada's valid point about keeping a title on the radar of comic shop readers for a longer span of time. They also give creators and publishers a venue to try out new talent and titles without a huge investment, not to mention the core audience that prefers them. But graphic novels are now the way a lot of readers (especially casual readers) want to read their comics. It's also how some of the best work in the industry is now made to be read.
Designing something for the trade means making a piece of sequential art that is meant to last as a cohesive, collected work. Despite the best efforts of bag-and-boarders, individual issues have always lived in the realm of the ephemeral, and a comic book story is only going to be read in the format of singles for a limited period of time. If the work has any lasting power beyond six months, it's going to be read as a collection, and anyone who really wants their work to last has to think about it that way. So why isn't long-term graphic novel success a bigger part of how publishers think about their monthly comics?
The simple answer is that it is often necessary to emphasize immediate sales in an industry with tight profit margins, and that's understandable. But if you have the financial backing to shift your priorities slightly -- which is the question Quesada was asked -- why wouldn't you? If you could afford to invest in the best creators up front and give them the creative freedom that original graphic novels offer, or allow yourself gauge the success of more monthly comics as longer-term investments, why wouldn't you?
Quesada's immediate dismissal of original graphic novels, regardless of Disney's support, seems like intentional shortsightedness and an unwillingness to break with the status quo -- diseases that have long plagued comics publishing, and since the House of Mouse is staying out of the comics kitchen, ones that the Disney buyout may not cure.
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Wednesday 09 September
By David Uzumeri
I agree with your overall premise, and I'd love to see more original graphic novels (that can be properly paced as such) coming from Marvel, but you seem to have misread Quesada's first statement - you say "the only way the statement makes sense is if you're talking about the Direct Market," but he's not talking about serialized comics themselves, he specifically states he's talking about the consumer not caring if the hardcover was ORIGINALLY published in serialized form or as an original graphic novel, so I don't think he's being disingenuous with his comparison, even though I disagree with it and believe that the work can differ in a good way if it's properly paced for an all-at-once collection.
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Wednesday 09 September
By Laura Hudson
That's a good point, David, and I may not have parsed that correctly on first reading. I do think, though, that it ultimately DOES matter to the bookstore and trade buyer when the publishing model is so heavily weighted towards singles, because that affects the way stories are told. And indeed, whether some series even make it to the bookstore before ending up on the chopping block, effectively invalidating the bookstore buyer.
Commissioning something as an OGN rather than an ongoing series is a totally different formal constraint. Anyone want to imagine what Scott Pilgrim would look like if it had been forced into a singles format? I don't.
Wednesday 09 September
By David Uzumeri
Ack, it seems like my last comment got eaten. I just wanted to say I enjoyed and totally agreed with the article, and it does seem short-sighted to draw such an arbitrary line in the sand that could prevent really great comics from coming out, so don't get me wrong, despite the possibly semantic correction I totally agree with your premise and love the blog.
Wednesday 09 September
By Ittousagi
The biggest flaw with individual issues I find is that, in today's patterns of story decompression, each individual issue isn't a satisfying enough experience to spend for their ever-increasing cost; the stories only become fulfilling when read collected, presented as the equivalent of an OGN.
So I support OGNs, as well as individual floppies - but the individual issues need to be fulfilling experiences in and of themselves (such as found in Justice League Unlimited, Marvel Adventures Fantastic Four, Star Wars Clone Wars Adventures, and other all-age-targeted series).
If the current decompression pattern is encouraged to continue, perhaps the big (whatever number it is this week) should adopt a Manga-CrossgenCompendium pattern: release the serial story parts in a larger volume along with other stories' parts, and then collect the story into its own volume when completed.
In short, each physical piece of comic material should provide a fulfilling reading experience. And I think Joe makes a serious error in business judgement to ostracize Original Graphic Novels.
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Thursday 10 September
By Andy G.
I think it would be great to have various monthly compilations of comics; one for Avengers-related, Spider-Man related, X-Men related, etc. I would buy those and the graphic novels collecting the individual series, if it was a better deal to buy the compilations versus individual issues.
Wednesday 09 September
By preston
"Commissioning something as an OGN rather than an ongoing series is a totally different formal constraint. Anyone want to imagine what Scott Pilgrim would look like if it had been forced into a singles format? I don't."
This example sums up what I was going to say. SO I'll just condense it to: Joe Quesada only cares about the financial repercussions of OGNs and not the creative ones. And even though Marvel is a business, you would have to admit that that line of thinking might result in less projects liek Solo, Wednesday Comics or more appropriately Strange Tales in teh future.
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Thursday 10 September
By Andy G.
The business side of comics kept me away for a long time and now that I am back I am only buying graphic novel collections. Of course Marvel would ideally want us all to buy individual issues and then the graphic novels, to maximize their profits on the same product, but my ideal situation would be for a cheap (read: $1 per issue) release of comics in digital form so that I can see if I enjoy them, and then I can collect them in graphic novel form if I do. At the $1 price point, people would be much more willing to try out new comics. But comics is forever bound up in collecting, so I won't hold my breath on this. No singles, no comics in the basement worth $50,000 50 years from now.
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Thursday 10 September
By Laura Hudson
I'm glad you brought up the price point of singles, because I think that's a big part of what's pushing them further and further into the niche market and away from the mainstream.
Quesada talks about singles as exposure and marketing tools, and that'd be a good way to look at them, except that the high price point makes them less accessible as casual purchases.
Singles are much more expensive than they used to be, even adjusted for inflation. If I could pick up singles for a nominal fee like $1.00, either in print or digitally, I'd be happy to do so. But at $3.99 a pop, it becomes prohibitive and much harder for me to justify buying the story twice.
Picking up my Wednesday stack hits me -- and every other fan -- a lot harder than it used to, and it's hard to drop four bucks every time I want to try something new. Hell, it's hard to drop it on all the books I know I want. I'd rather wait for the trade, which is what I know I want in the long run anyway.
Thursday 10 September
By Rachelle Goguen
I think there is a lot of value in original graphic novels, from the retail standpoint. I think more and more people who are coming into comic shops are looking for books instead of individual issues, and when there is a lot of hype about a particular title, those people are disappointed to hear how long it will take to buy it in book format. I think Darywn Cooke's recent Parker book is a good example. It was released as an original GN and sold out quickly. I am not sure that shops would have seen the same numbers if it had been serialized. GN format was appropriate for that title. I am not saying that events like Secret Invasion should be released as books first, but there are certainly titles that work better as books than as serialized comics, and I believe they would sell better that way too. I think Vertigo, for example, should seriously consider releasing more of their titles in trade format only.
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Thursday 10 September
By Laura Hudson
I agree. I thought it was interesting that he said the economics of OGNs "don't work" for retailers, when graphics novels are actually a far greater source of revenue for retailers than single issues.